tv Squawk on the Street CNBC October 19, 2017 9:00am-11:00am EDT
three grand. >> all right >> digital world >> we've got 15 seconds for a final check on the markets that's not as bad as it was. it was almost triple digits on the dow. >> that's because you have two dow components that reported better than expected >> 6360. >> what's the other one? >> travelers >> okay. that's a dow component >> yeah. >> that's right, it is all right, we're done. >> say good-bye. >> good-bye, good-bye! make sure you join us tomorrow "squawk on the street" joins right now. ♪ good thursday morning. welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quintanilla with jim cramer and david faber at the new york stock exchange. futures are weak on a busyday for news we've got tons of earnings, yellen meets with the president. we've got a vote on a budget reduci resolution the 30th anniversary of black monday europe is down spain threatening to take controls of catalan.
stocks and a retreat from record highs in the pre-market. amex, nike, and apple are all leading the dow lower. >> plus, a big change at the top of american express. ken shenalt is stepping down after 17 years at the helm and 30 years later, lessons for black monday for today's stock market as stocks continue to break new ground we are set to open lower after wednesday's rally, in which the dow closed above 23k for the first time in the meantime, two dow components out with quarterly results this morning verizon posted revenues above consensus, helped by some strong performance in smartphones travelers, better than expected results, although it did suffer $700 million in catastrophic losses related to the hurricanes, harvey and irma. this nike downgrade, guys, is going to take some wind out of the sails, too >> you know, it's funny. i question the value add of the downgrade. >> which is, by the way, goldman. >> and the reason i question the value added, they've got a big analyst meeting come up. it's all the same thing. look, there's excess inventory, there are issues with ebay we'll get to that later, and
with amazon and the headwind -- the tailwinds are now headwinds. i read it and i said, guys, this is the kind of call that i want at 63. i don't want it at 51, where you basically say the price earnings to multiples is low enough that it's going to support the stock. it's just not a lot of value added. and the people who really helped you with nike were the people who told you, listen, the inventory going to be really bad off of footlocker and the inventory is going to be really bad off of what is basically a kind of a glut of jordans. so, i mean, i know it's going to hurt the stock i'm not recommending it. i just think, come on, guys! >> well, goldman does say that the excess inventory and the inability to resetna north amea is well known. they come out and say that they just say it's going to take a long time and these markdowns are going to get high visibility because of this new amazon >> they are. and amazon is everywhere on the ebay call, amazon comes off about auto parts and apparel. so this is, again, it's in the
business only vf corp. right now has really been getting a lot of analyst support, as not being amazonable it is rather remarkable to read the nike call and say, okay, tell me something i don't know and that's not bad work. you don't want -- there are people who were saying that you should buy it into the analyst meeting, but the only thing he did wrong was that he made this call at 52 and not 62. >> meanwhile, we've got decent industrial results dover, dana heher, adobe with gd guidance >> danaherr, we managed to catch someone at 84. that's really ridiculous adobe, so bankable what i did is went back to the june forecast when they announced their last quarter and in it, there was talk that perhaps they had taken their organic growth from 18 to 20%. and what they said last night is that's completely wrong. we're not taking it from 18 to 20%. not only that, but we're raising the total adjustable market by
$20 billion. he is so bankable. he literally, he literally is telling a much better story than he did on june 20th. and the analysts all got very nervous, very nervous after that last conference call and i speak to him all the time. they didn't even know what he said that made them nervous. but, boy, did he ever blow the number way >> take a look at the five-year chart on that stock is a thing of beauty. this has been a continuous performer. it's not just an overnight wonder >> right, he's a genius and uses a lot of artificial intelligence, process trillions of transactions every day. anybody i know who does anything commercial spends the money to get the program. >> 400% in five years. >> but he went from being a company that was acrobat to a company that expands cloud, everything, whether document, marketing, and most importantly, he went sass he went a subscription he is the real rival
>> yeah, no, a friend of our show, rosen on the board >> yes, chegg was at 3 when he came on. >> by the way, talk about another turnaround -- >> he came on the call and he was like, i was trying to fight back tears i had the hanky all set for him. and i said, listen, i think you just made a strong case. it's up five times and i think even number 86 for the eagles, the hottest tight end in fantasy football was a buyer after that interview >> he probably was we should get to verizon we mentioned it briefly at the top. it's a good number or a decent number in terms of versus expectations let's not get carried away here. we're not talking about incredible revenue growth, of course, at the enormous wireless carrier, but the stock is up it's been a difficult year for verizon, as everybody knows, facing difficult revenue comparisons and a lot of questions for the firm overall for some time, there appeared to be a focus on the company in trying to perhaps use m&a as a way to obtain some growth or at
least protect the future that seems to be dispatched to a large extent my last interview, not that many weeks ago, of course, they really seemed to be focused on the 5g future. however far away that may be or however close it may be, and there are different views of that but the numbers themselves this quarter, guys, post-paid phone net ads of 603,000, 274,000 to that were actual smart -- the smartphones. a lot of tablets in there, as well post-paid churn at 0.97% the rpu or rpa number, $136.31 better than expected so overall, a decent quarter for verizon. and by the way, it was the second quarter of '17 also was not a bad quarter, either, for the company. so they put two together here, at least, in the face of a course, a very difficult, competitive environment where they went unlimited. where they didn't -- people didn't think they would. and they're at least starting to
show a little -- i don't want to call it momentum -- >> well, i would poke a ledger in the eye the revenues beat the ads, were good but david, how about the breakout, the $2 billion breakout of tim armstrongville >> what do you think >> of the oath business. that's an $8 billion run rate on that zpr >> do you wear by the oath >> i don't zbl >> well, to be honest, the facebook -- >> tbh you told me about that yesterday. >> yeah, your boy -- >> no, my girl >> it's the 12th quarter of churn that low and those wireless subs, that's 36% year on year >> the ledger must be going crazy. >> the only wrinkle, you tie it to apple, what's happening to apple this morning some of these newspapers in asia are reporting -- it's the classic story soft suppliers having their eight orders revised down. >> this is good. this happened from, say, 50 to 160 in apple we heard about the revision orders down. you're not supposed -- apple suppliers are like fight club.
the first rule of apple suppliers is you're not supposed to talk about apple. but these guys do it who knows. maybe apple took away their orders people always trade awe off of stuff. it's why i say own apple you'll get some story from some chinese or taiwan paper that says this is the end, this is the end, kind of like it's an homage to the doors. skpu and you feel like the blue bus is coming for us, and you sell out, but for no reason >> tonight equipment supplier side, it's important to note in verizon, this is from the citi note this morning, they said the capex guidance from verizon at the low end, we're talking 16.8 to $17.5 billion in capex. but that could be a negative data point for the communications equipment company. >> yes, it could be. and that's going to be hard to pin down, because we don't know where it really is david, i want to point out, there's another -- because i believe in vox, we're getting an inquiry here that says, are we seeing the same results, service revenue down 11 quarters, why,
oh, why, bad it's a guy named ledger magenta and twitter. so i don't know. he may be authoritative. >> he may be >> there he is i'm glad he surfaced because he was out late yesterday, throwing a little shade. is that what they say? verizon's way. >> he was doing a little trash talk it's kind of the josh norman of this business. >> lowell mcadam doesn't have 4.5 million followers on twitter. >> lernl dodger does. shannon will do a gift of his gift she's our gift person. but i think it's good that the ledger came back immediately i was saying the ledger, this could be a better number than you think. and he actually has used twitter to say that's not the case he's not taking down numbers, verizon, okay? he's downgraded to a sell, sell, sell already so there's not any place to go after that >> he's got his plate full as i tweeted back to him and of course didn't get an answer, how's the due diligence going on
sprint or t-mobile -- >> he was spinning >> or he's going to identify time for dumplings in seattle. >> a guy who did a 4.06 mile >> did he run a 4.06 mile. >> when he was younger >> not yesterday >> i didn't even make the harvard team notice how i had to drop harvard in, because i'm so insecure on this 30th veeranniversary day. >> by the way, while we're on twitter, really quick, just left frankfort, great meetings, great weather, really enjoyed it gad, because i'll be spending a lot more time there, #brexit >> yes, i said that's london lite that was a real shot hat the bow. basically, i hear a lot of people stay frnkfort is kind of, i don't know, what would you say, like omaha? >> really. apparently going to become the new london of europe >> if frankfort's so great, open space there. >> wow, that's actually not an insignificant thing. blankfein trying to sort of -- >> no, i immediately -- we both
tweeted it out, because it's the most significant thing that he's said >> his twitter account is not particularly -- >> it's like it was one tweet for every 30,000 followers but it is, i thought this was very important, because london real estate is ridiculously expensive. frankfort, which is not necessarily known for being beautiful but -- >> and not to mention in the bigger picture that the talks between prime minister may and the -- and everybody else in the eu, not said to be going particularly well so far, in terms of meeting any of their hope for end points and trying to figure out how their going to actually negotiate a soft exit as opposed to a harder exit. >> is it going better than madrid versus catalonia? >> that's another tough one, as catalan refuses to drop their independence bid and spain says we're going to go in and take constitutional control >> you want to get to geopolitics here because once you go down that road, you start to wonder, in general, why the market is so strong >> you would have been a member of the lincoln brigade, david,
in the old days. you've been over there, you've been on fifth coluonist. i always said that stability in spain was important. >> it was. >> i'm with you. >> we'll go see gornka >> it's in madrid. >> it's in the -- >> we know what's in boston, if you look at prompter tape. >> please come to boston >> i will go to boston >> for a celtics game? >> i spent some time there many, many years ago in boston >> what are you doing there? >> i'm going there tomorrow, jim, to do an important interview on "squawk on the street." that's what it says right there. >> with the celtics? >> no. we're going to have an exclusive with that man, general electric's new chairman and ceo. remember, he's also chairman now and -- >> john flannery will be my guest. i'll be alone with him and no, i will be -- you will be with me in spirit. >> like i was with wilf yesterday with tim sloan
i was very much in the spirit with that. >> or as wilf today with david -- >> i'm actually in the spirit with that. >> but i like to be in the flesh. >> and your time will come >> this is the business i've chosen >> it is the business you've chosen >> you will not break the peace that you've made here today. >> i will not, mo green! hey, mo green! >> i know, you always get me on the godfather references ge, tomorrow, of course, reporting earnings -- >> you have flannery >> about 6:30 in the morning and there are expectations that perhaps we'll get some signs as to what the company will really be focused on on november 13th it has its big analyst meeting, that in many ways people expected would sort of set the agenda for mr. flannery. we continue to hear, of course, nothing is sacred with the company. there is a sense, certainly, that there is a great deal of change to come at ge my dear friend to my right here, as talked often about the inability, perhaps, to continue
to serve a dividend at this level given the levels that the company has and its lack of overall free cash flow so a lot of questions and perhaps beginning of some answers tomorrow >> i want to ask you, will it be an empty plane following your plane -- >> no, i get -- no, the american flight that i'll be taking, i think, will -- >> so it's not just too plain. you have an exclusive with flannery >> we're going to talk more about immelt's doubling on the plane thing. we'll talk about ge. we'll talk about amex, ken shenalt stepping down as ceo got to get to me bey and travelers. we'll talk to art cashin about the stock market crash of '87 30 years ago today. the s&p hasn't closed doing ten points since september 5th
the stock market crash known as black monday occurred 30 years ago today. the dow tumbled by almost 23%. the worst one-day decline ever lost half a trillion in market value. and as a result, nyc institute and all of those circuit breakers we talk about now that reduce volatility, 508 points today, guys. 2.2% not 22.6 >> you need a 6,000 decline,
obviously, in cash for that day. i want to thank karen cramer for that, who gave me an unbelievable call, saying the last week, the week before, had been the worst week in the market forever saying there's no bids underneath the only thing i had on my sheets that monday were johnson & johnson puts you couldn't even sell them, because nobody even knew a big-cap stock. nobody knew johnson & johnson were trading if you want to take advantage of the crash the next day, terrible tuesday, which stewart won a fabulous pulitzer prize on, was by far worse it looked like it traded through 1,100, and there was liquidity concerns, a lot of the big banks, it's been said, got together, including steve mnuchin's father from goldman. >> also, greenspan was pretty involved in that >> greenspan said we'll make all liquidity available. when that came out, the selling stopped. that was midday after the private conference with the heads of all the major firms the problem was you couldn't -- i went in to buy 50,000 shares
of caterpillar, and people gave me a market which was 40/70. 40 to the sellers, 70 to the buyers that's how little people knew. people said, when did you start buying stocks again, i said, when the stock market started to function again it couldn't function it is true if you called nasdaq, you couldn't get anyone on the phone. >> there's a big debate about whether there are lessons to be learned. whether the rules-based portfolios can be tied to etfs do you think there is or can do markets just crash sometimes >> portfolio insurance created a false expectation among a lot of the go-go managers that they would be stopped down 5% people didn't understand the power of chicago versus new york back then. i think people should remember that japan was the ascending market they got to 39,000 soon after. the japanese were buyers used to come in every day with big-cap
stocks, they would be up 2% every single day the market was levitating, had a bit -- it did have a bad august, where you started seeing the mercks of the world going down but people have to remember, when i say, no bids, and what karen cramer meant, she was help running a big trading desk she said, aisle trying to sell 100,000 georgia peach. there's no buyers. she wasn't telling me, but what she's basically saying is, every single stock that she tried to sell, there was nothing underneath and what that means for people who have not traded is that you see these markets and we take it for granted that when something comes over the tape and you see it's union pacific, 109, 109.01, first, we were using quarters. but more important, it would be like, the offered side, the side you can buy is 109 the bid side is 104. so you couldn't do anything. so people were frantically trying to get out. the japanese backed away that
week so they weren't in the next day. there were some terrible comments by james baker that weekend in "the times" about not letting the germans kick us around, and you came in on monday and it was just like an extension of what was happening friday >> and yet, how many months later, into 1988, and all the gains -- i'm sorry, all the losses had been made up. >> oh, it was great. nice chart today in the journal >> it looks like a blip. >> you can barely see it down 22%, black monday you had to buy it. it's interesting enough, the stocks that really came back the fastest were the materials because the economy was quite strong it was really, youhad to buy the chemicals and the papers those groups aren't even really talked about anymore or they've all been combined. the papers and chemicals were really strong. all i can tell you is, there was nothing in the fundamental economy that was at all weak so people make fun, because in '29, people said, the fundamentals were fine and they weren't in fact, in '87, the fundamentals were fine, and you had to get back in and buy stone
paper. a stone container. you had to buy international paper. you had to buy dow chemical. and john flannery's big exclusive with david, i always -- >> yeah, he split it >> we split. >> we split, but we can't -- i want to be -- >> we split liveris, i get flannery, and you get everyone else >> how did you get that interview? >> guys, settle this during the break. the mad dash on the other side of this commercial don't go away. it can detect a threat using ai, and respond 60 times faster. it lets you know where your data lives, down to the very server. it keeps your insights from prying eyes, so they're used by no one else but you. it. is. the cloud. the ibm cloud. the cloud that's designed for your data.
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a mad dash for this thursday countdown to the opening bell about five minutes from now. ebay is worth discussing >> i understand there's a bias downside for a lot ofstocks today. but ebay, the conference call, which i thought was okay, really stumble on stub hub, where they just said the numbers were plain disappointing. obviously, then there were questions about, was it because of nfl attendance. but they said, no, it's because the various sporting events are beginning to restrict tickets, making it tougher for stub hub to get business. also, they spent a lot of money and didn't see a lot of acceleration they talked about a korean holiday. no one ever wants to hear about a holiday they've never heard of and why it might be hurting their numbers. but they did also -- there was a very interesting query about automotive parts and apparel that amazon has targeted ebay. and you know what, no one ever says, yeah, amazon's eating our lunch, but that was a very important moment, when you say,
listen, there's a lot of inventory in these various stocks i do like ebay here? i was concerned about stub hub, because i didn't think it was answered correctly i would like to know more. that would have been a growth driver but, you know, ebay is not a disaster and people are going to sell it down two or three, that's probably a mistake >> in a way, they've done a decent job differentiating their business to a certain extent >> they sure have. but remember, paypal has been the star dan shoalman, who had a vision >> they're no longer together, of course. >> the splitup has worked. >> creative value. we've got to go, an enoping bell a few minutes away stay with us for squawk o"squawe stree street". question.
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we are talking about for health care i mean, it is rather odd to have that yellen meeting today. people love to find 30-year parallels. and it's fun, but it's not anything to -- >> there's the opening bell and the s&p at the bottom of your screen at the big board, it is stupid cancer celebrating its tenth anniversary at the nasdaq, and it's monogodb celebrating its ipo, another $1 billion valuation here, jim. after we had two yesterday >> we had that, too, and maybe some people are going to say, that's speculative, we'll put that in the camp of speculative. but what i'm watching is oil once again failing could not get through. this is just endless pinning of oil futures by u.s. producers, pine year out last night talking about some things that made it so you obviously know, there is so much oil in the permian and the u.s. companies that need
to dig, to drill, they need, they need all the cash they can get. what's interesting, by the way, is to drilling to some degree, but not as much. united reynolds did an awesome job, but that's because of florida and storm-damaged texas. travelers not hurt that badly, a dow stock. there's a lot of positives, but because it's the anniversary of the 30th and because there are a couple of quarters we can point to, ae dover quarter, not that significant to me. and some of the sell-off in the semis that have been so strong, i think it colors a lot of things but you know, verizon and travelers should color things. >> they should >> verizon is the gainer on the dow. amex and apple are two of the worst performers and amex, although they beat and revenue was ahead and loan growth was good, ken chenault is going to leave people wonder whether it's enough of a high note of that whole costco thing >> it's opinion subeen such a h. and to say that this last run
could have been continued would have been hard no matter what happened and chenault had really listened he's really done a lot of things that were terrific to get things together it's been a remarkable stock i salute him he is absolutely going out on a high the stock has had a real rebound. we spent a lot of time talking about the misstep on costco, they wanted to justify it on cost terms the value proposition to your amex holder is still somewhat unclear to me in terms of actual card -- >> and rewards >> what you're paying for that and the competition on reward, particularly from the likes of a jpmorgan, with some of their new entrants >> by the way -- >> and market cap is essentially equal to >> paypal is, you know -- the first thing that i remember when i got out of college, my father said, you've got make enough money to get an amex card. i've been an amex member since 1980 >> like c.f. frost >> yes and i don't leave home without it even the commercials, i remember
but my kids, they're paypal people, because they don't go to stores at stores, you have to talk people that's something they're very reticent to do they like to text. >> reticent is the correct word, actually, in term, reticent means not really interestinged in -- reluctant to speak >> to speak requires a level of intensity that the millennials are not happy with that means like actually pick up the phone and call you ever called -- wait until your kids get old enough -- >> no, i'm already -- i'm at that point i text with my kids. that's what they do. >> that's what i do. my daughters are both together in oregon and texted me in fabulous picture of them i was thinking, geez, i could call them, but then that could wreck the whole karma if i call them >> really? >> easier just to post sympathetic or -- >> right my daughter face timed me, i was at the supermarket, she said, i couldn't believe i picked up i said, what's the difference? >> speaking of posting and social networks, watch facebook.
john mccain is adding some bipartisan support to an effort they call facebookville. so this would essentially require social platforms to retain copies and information about ads, make reasonable efforts to make sure foreign entities are not purchasing content to drive elections here. >> i'm still in the world where stifel came out and said that channel checks are really terrific and people are using. you've got to push back against washington, because i think the quarter is going to be fine. interesting, by the way, we talked about the nike downgrade. down 40 cents. people are saying, what else do you have for me. give me the gilead people are excited >> it's interesting, though, yesterday, ibm, of course, with that very strong performance, following through today, not down at all. in fact, still up 27 cents and this morning, as we've said, verizon on the strength of better than expected earnings, powering the dow again, up 4.5%. >> i had martin schroeder on last night for an exclusive interview. >> yes, you did.
>> it was very clear that he made it, this is not a one-off quarter. it's the beginning but next year could be really, really good. it was an exclusive interview on "mad money". >> and you have been exclusively, quite positive recently on ibm. >> yes, i have because exclusively, i have felt that remetty has put together a company that's good. one of the things that's absolutely true about these guys, the ibm guys, a security network, encrypted, is what the jpmorgans like walmart likes it >> and security is very important. >> it's a lead sales point these days >> we had always felt that encrypted meant that it slowed the transaction down the great thing about the new ibm mainframe is that ten krihes encryption is done with the same speed as if it isn't encrypted
if you're in equifax, they should be saying, rip out our system and go with ibm >> i know you hit it briefly, but apple is down over 2% today. is there any other reason? >> well, i mean, you know, when you go over -- they always have -- they're always able to point to a couple of suppliers they very specifically point to some suppliers that are trash talking the situation. talking about orders, just to give you to complete magnitude orders for the iphone down 50% i see that kind of thing and think, how many times have people sold it on that kind of stuff. and i'm uncomfortable, but it is literally the type of thing that has plagued apple owners since the beginning of time. and it has just kept people out of one of the great runs of all time and i think it's going to do it again. >> we mentioned the mongeaudb i ipo. one of the ipos we had not too long ago was blue apron, who is now laying off 300
>> but their reason for that was very interesting why they're laying it off, to accelerate growth. now, see, that's really interesting, right >> wow, that's almost actually getting close to the market cap that i assumed it would hit eventually >> you accelerate growth by cutting people i've never really thought of that -- >> it's shrink to grow if you get down to like three employees, you're going to be in great shape. >> that's true you're burning a lot of gasoline with airplane engines and shut off that fourth engine, it just stops burning. we haven't mentioned unilever, which had lighter than expected organic, and that was disappointing. i thought that unilever, you know, you've got the unileverprr smp initially down badly overseas on cloud weakness wait a second, cloud grew 19%. that makes no sense. but unilever cites storms. they cite storms, cold weather i don't like that. i mean, it wasn't cold for procter. >> no. >> but they do sell ice cream.
>> unilever, i like -- >> i know you do >> did you get your dollar shave club announcement today? >> though. >> you don't get dollar shave? >> i do, i do. i get it in the mail every month. i get my blades. >> all right >> united air, by the way. >> we didn't hit united with a beat, but some losses on hurricane. >> you know, i listen to paul -- listen, when you listen to phil lebeau talk on that, on the thing -- i mean, he asks very pointed questions and he does it in a way that's very sweet, but it basically got out the fact that there's a lot of capacity coming on and it was not a great quarter. kbro you know what, it's been the weak sister in the group and it really did have storm problems it did it did have storm problems it's -- the weather is waiting for cons -- i'm like -- >> like the godfather. >> he was hot saying stupid things >> he was a hothead. >> but just so we know, it was
him. it was sonny who said to michael, you went to college to get stupid, stupid, which i always thought was my watch word >> overall, jim, f.a.n.g. is not having a good day. netflix, tesla, apple, facebook, broadcom, nvidia >> look what they're doing to apple. nvidia, i could barely wake the dog up today and this is bitcoin coming down. look, these are red-hot stocks and the red-hot stocks with the exception of adobe are getting crushed today. that's part and parcel of the, well, 23,000, record, record, record, and those go down on these days and you can take your cue and wait like 48 hours and come in and start buying them, which is probably not wrong, but this is a market that suddenly likes value. they like ibm, and they don't like -- >> likes ibm, likes gm >> how about ge? anything there >> no. no, we're going to hear tomorrow from ge. and we will also have an exclusive interview with the company's new chairman and ceo,
john flannery, as well >> i'll be sure to watch that. >> i'm glad. >> all right, really quick, as we hear more about these initiatives to reduce the number of research centers, journal today is raising the specter of thousands of layoffs is that legion thing, the dividend is -- >> speaking of november. you've got david's interview tomorrow maybe it kind of preps you for something that could be a change in the way that they actually report i hear their going to start using industrial reporting, the way all the industrials do and that could make the company look not as good as it has looked, under the previous ceo >> i also think that it will be -- i personally think it will be correct to trim the dividend, because i want growth. >> right >> and i don't want companies to sit there and buy back stock and trim now, one of the things i liked about martin schroeder, who i had exclusively on yesterday, the ceo of ibm on "mad money," was that he said, listen, if we need the money to grow, we're going to spend that money. which is a little bit of a difference, very nuanced thing about, we're going to keep
buying back stock for warren buffett. >> listen, gm also dealing with that pension, which is, you know, something we don't talk about as often with so must have those newer companies, because they don't have them, but that is a significant weight as well. >> will you ask about turban accounting >> okay. >> will you ask about the need to keep locomotives. >> we can, locko is co is a quen >> will you ask about predex >> they've hired so many people in the digital transformation that immelt talked so much about. >> will you ask about company cars >> sure. >> will you ask about boston celtics tickets. >> they had like 700 cards boston celtics tickets, no but the second plane, that was the best thing from this journal story today. >> one plane, two planes, hey! >> i've never heard -- >> for viewers who haven't read it -- >> i have never heard of that. unless you're the president of the united states. >> "the journal" reports that immelt would take duplicate planes for security, logistics purposes >> it's interesting, because in
a boeing, there's actually a duplicate plane. i don't know if people realize that i was in a plane that got hit by lightning. and the power went off for about maybe a few seconds and then a new plane lights up within a boeing that's one of the reasons why i've always loved boeing so much now, we couldn't -- we had to bounce, the foam runway, it bounced, it bounced, it bounced. i was busy writing the whole time the stewardess said, do you mind not working? what am i supposed to do, hold hand with the person next to me. >> you know what pilots say, if it ain't boeing, i ain't going >> jim mcinerney says, i love what they've done. a second plane within a plane, may you never see it, but when you're hby a lightning bolt -- >> the redundant systems are so great. i've got to tell you pb the u.s. air, i went and i called the ceo of u.s. air. they don't want tube these things, but it was just a
miracle that second plane comes on, it didn't work for the landing gear, but you bounce and you bounce and you bounce, and then you say, shoot, i'm late for that next meeting. >> let's just move on. finally, guys, before we get to bob, financials yesterday had a decent day >> sure, but interest rates -- >> we're working off a week where goldman sachs did not have -- zbl >> it was up four yesterday. >> it was. >> how much can they -- >> goldman sachs is flat for the year absolutely flat for the year as opposed to many of its exerts, which are up at least sort of in line with the market >> corbat at citi has done a remarkable job and he continues to be underrated it's really starting to bug me >> you'll have to get another exclusive with him, like you have in the past >> i will, like i have with ryan, whose stock is leading today, adobe i do those exclusively by the way, you have martin anstes, from lamb research, but that is going to be a
battleground stock people are going to say, wait a second, are his customers really going to be reasonable and rational they tend to have not been for various times. because they see, oh, d-ram prices are so high, let's build a lot of factories you have to channel mllenge marn that i lost that exclusive. >> we'll hear from goldman's david solomon in the next hour this is the worst drop for stocks in about six weeks welco, going back to september 5. >> that's how low the volatility's been. i think a lot of these problems started over in asia let me show you, the happeninhag was down about 2%. a lot of very high sensitivity over there this were talking about rising household debt and asset bubbles being concerned about that occasionally, they came out with these comments you can see the hang 'seng
dropped on that. you can look at the emini futures. very, very early in the morning, they started dropping before the chinese markets started closing. you can see that and i think this is the same thing happened in europe, largely what went on over in china today. you can see some of the sarcastsectors here, the united states, some of the high beta sectors, apple is weak, banks are weak, and utilities and telecom more on the upside energy just went positive. apple on the downside. there are some sources in china saying that apple might be revising orders for the iphone 8 and 8 plus we have not got any confirmation about these. our chinese newspaper source, so take that with a grain of salt but you see some of these suppliers are on the weak side a lot of earnings today, but i want to highlight one of them, united rentals this is the big play on construction in the united states and reconstruction around the whole hurricane issue. this is an historic high for
united rentals the numbers were fantastic, and basically, they raised their guidance on everything, for sales and ebitda and cash flow all their metrics were risen here look at that, it's gone parabolic. it's up in the last two months, 30 to 40%. again, historic high for that. a couple ipos. we talk about a chinese debut. we've got mongoldb over here, on the nasdaq in a few minutes. one of the big database platform companies. look at that number, 8 million shares at 24 the price talk was 18 to 20 and they raised it to 20 to 22 now 24 a couple of ipos above their range after a lot were pricing below. this is on the cnbc disrupter 50 list here. another one tomorrow down at the nyse, another chinese one backed by ten krecent a big online gaming and shopping platform, sea, a tencent and alibaba backing tends to help a
lot. we're talking about october 19th, 1987, when the dow dropped 22.6%. i think the important thing you want to know, 508 points is not the same equivalent decline is 5,000 points that would wipe out all 18 months of gains that we have seen here. there was an official presidential inquiry president reagan apointed the brady commission to look into what happened. they talked about the stock market running up, and it was up 40% going into it that year. there were some dollar issues, there was portfolio insurance, of course. that's where they hedged portfolio and stocks against the risks by short selling index futures. that turned out to be a bad idea the markets were very linked everybody figured that out and then, primarily, they focused on the inability of systems to handle the huge order flow so many orders came through the system, people couldn't handle them orders got delayed, tape got delayed, people conn get information. it was a systemwide problem. and that's what the brady commission focused on. two things came out of this. first was, the implementation in
1989 of systemwide circuit breakers, when the dow and now the s&p dropped a certain amount, the market will stop this only happened once in 1987 during the asian flu crisis. but it did create interesting changes in the market and the most important thing is all of this led to great efforts to improve the overall trading environment and the trading systems. and overall accelerated the move toward electronic trading. the bottom line is very simple, if a lot of people suddenly want to start selling, the market is going to drop and nothing is going to stand in the way of that right now, dow is down 89 points carl, back to you. >> thank you very much for that, bob pisani let's get to the bond pits and rick santelli. good morning, rick >> good morning, carl. i find it so fascinating, dropping claims should be bullish, even though there's probably some issues on delays with people signing up for a variety of reasons related to not only weather and global
issues, but just how slow things may be coming in but philly fed, there's no argument there it was a pretty strong number. rates are down what an interesting day for all of this to happen. we're on the anniversary of the crash. and i'm not suggesting a crash but the world learned something then and i'll talk about that later, my own experience. that when equities look iffy, treasuries go straight up and their yields go straight down. that's sort of what's happening today. and bob is absolutely right. you know, between 3:00 and 4:00 a.m., something happened we can debate if it was china, what the catalyst was. but all markets moved in line like they were roped together. look at intraday tens, right around 330 is when they made their biggest drop the dax, same time hang seng, same time boounds, sa bunds, here's where it got interesting. all the counterexchange markets moved at the same time as well, but in a counterintoouitive way
the euro was going down, but it reversed as the dollar index did. very important to realize that at a time where central banks are pulling large levers with unknown consequences, just how tightly wrapped all of these markets still these markets stl are, jim, carl, david, back to you. >> at 3:30 the chinese communist party federal reserve chief said this market's too high to use the term, minskying which meant that basically this market is not even 6.8% growth still have to be careful that created this incredible downturn the hang seng was down 1.9 s&p numbers were negative but the dollar did reverse by 5:15 rick was right the most compressed action i've seen in a long time. >> vicks of 11 when we come back, we'll hear from goldman sachs david solomon. dow is down almost 100 points.
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good thursday morning. welcome back to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quinn kneeia. markets are down we're watching big earnings from the likes of verizon and amex and ebay and travelers and adobe. not a good day for tech. nearly every component in the semi index is down. >> our markets, retreating from records on the 30th anniversary of black monday. stock market crash the dow today seeing its worst drop in six weeks. >> then later in the hour, goldman's president and cocoo david solomon been sit down with wilfred frost in an exclusive you don't want to miss. >> painting the town orange. new york city among the many making their bid to be the home of amazon's second headquarters. the deputy mayor of new york city will join us with her pitch in just a bit. >> first over to rick santelli for data on leading economic indicators rick >> hi, carl. most of the day has been leaning
in a positive way if you're looking for a stronger economy but not september's read on leading economic indicators. expecting up .1 we ens up down .2 you have to go back to august of '16 to find a minus sign but you have to go back to almost two years december 2015 to find a bigger minus than down .2. not a good read on indicators. many don't think it is a leading trading indicator. weak as we look at yields on the soft side, equities on the soft side the dollar index on the soft side carl, back to you. >> rick, thank you very much the pressureis on for republicans in congress after failing to approve trump-backed bills to overturn obamacare, tax reform is a must win today marks a first key step the senate poised to pass a 2018 budget resolution which would allow tax legislation to move so-called reconciliation
requiring a simple majority vote president reports i think we have the votes but who knows joining us this morning is former white house chief of staff josh bolten. josh, it's great to have you good morning to you. >> good morning, carl. >> the president says who knows. ostensibly john cornyn knows and says he thinks they do any risk to this not passing >> yeah, there's always a risk when they're operating with as thin a margin as they have in the republican conference in the senate but we share the optimism of the president and the whip that they have the votes to pass this budget bill because it is crucial for the most important economic agenda item which is tax reform >> which the secretary of the treasury this week said is vital to maintaining the stock rally today the "journal" sort of throws cold water on that and says if it were not to the pass
would stocks collapse, probably not. what is the business roundtable's view on the risking to assets if this legislation does get sticky? >> i don't want to take a view on predicting the stock market if i could do that, i'd have a different job. but i do have this view, and it's based on polling our 200 ceos of america's biggest companies though the members of the business roundtable. and we asked them what will you do with employment, with hiring and with capital spending if the kind of tax reform that's on the table goes through and well over two-thirds of them said that we will hire more and we will invest more. we'll do more capital spending we also asked though the flipside of the question which is what will happen to the plans you have on the books today if tax reform either fails or is
long delayed and a majority of our ceos said we will have to take planned hiring and spending off of the books. so there's no question in my mind talking to our members that if the tax reform goes through big boost. if it fails, negative reaction from our member companies. >> all right so help us understand that, josh, because corporate profits have been rising for several quarts now in fact, there's such a rise, another 4 plus percent over the next quarter what are companies waiting for why do they need the tax cut and the repatriation deal to go forward? >> they are hiring and raising wages now but there's a lot more room to go we're still really operating in a 2% growth environment. and to unleash the forces, unleash the potential that's there in the u.s. economy, we need to get that higher.
the one public policy step that can get things and get the economy going at a substantially higher rate i believe it can get to 3% on asus attained basis is tax reform so our member companies aren't waiting but they are making their plans based on an expectation that tax reform will go through. >> so wait it's your expectation therefore that more money will be spent in this country than might otherwise be the case or be spent in other places by these corporations >> you mean spent here in the united states and abroad >> yeah, listen, corporations are going to do whatever is in their best interests obviously benefit one would expect the underlying business. to her point, given the success in terms of earnings and free cash flow that we've seen over the last few years there seems to be certainly plenty of ability to invest. so it would seem to me not to be a function of needing more money but simply how to allocate it.
>> exactly and so if we're getting 3% growth in this economy which is what i think is possible if tax reform goes through, they will have more attractive places to invest their money there's also well over $2 trillion trapped overseas as a result of our uncompetitive tax code by a lot of our members would like to bring back to the understand and invest here but they're prevented by tax penalty from doing so. there's a lot of good opportunities to invest here in the united states that i think are being left off the table because we have such an uncompetitive tax code that can be solved in the next few months. >> yeah, do you think it will be though i mean it, take put on your old washington hat put yourself back in the white house if you can and sort of look for me at the senate right now. >> easy. >> sorry make an assumption though in terms of we're going to have deficit hawks. we have a plan -- we don't have the plan yet to be fair,
mr. bolton and there is seemingly a lack of revenue coming in from all the cuts being contemplated. how is this going to actually pass even with reconciliation? >> yeah, not easy. reconciliation is essential. i believe, to getting the tax reform done. so the budget resolution that's on the senate floor today must pass in order to get this done and then it must it be conferenced or agreed to by the house. so that's absolutely essential it's never easy to do tax reform it's been 31 years since we've had a tax reform i believe the stars are aligning here in washington now in a way that i haven't seen in the 30 years since i served on the staff of the senate finance committee in the mid '80s. we've got a republican president strongly supportive. we've got republican leadership in the house and senate strongly supportive they've got the outline on the table through their framework of something they all agree on that is tax reform that can pass.
so put me in the cautiously optimisticcategory that this can get done either by the end of the year or soon thereafter. >> josh, one last point. when it comes to members of the roundtable who are going to push against some of these pay forces, realtor is a good example on the standard deduction and mortgage interest, how do you handle that >> that's the challenge of tax reform which is there have to be pay forces to offset the lowering of the rate that is crucial to be a successful tax reform some of our members aren't going to like it they're eliminating an interest deduction, that kind of thing affects different companies in different ways and not everybody will think that boy, this tax reform is the best thing that ever happened to their company but i think the vast majority of our members and the business community overall will put that
aside and say look, what's good for the economy? because what's good for the economy overall is going to be what's good for our business and i think they will see that this tax reform when it finally comes together will be good overall for economy and despite disappointments on some of the pay forces, i think the vast majority of our members will be supportive in the end. that's certainly where the business roundtable is and organization is planning to be. >> we hope you'll come back as this makes its way through the hill over the next few weeks thanks again, josh bolten, former white house chief of staff, president and ceo of the business roundtable. >> today does mark the 30th anniversary of black monday. the market crash of 1987 that saw the dow lose more than 500 points it was the largest one-day percentage decline for the index to this day. stocks shedding more than half a trillion dollars in market value on that day. we're joined by a man who has been there that day, ubs
director art cashin. we always turn to him for some of the moments in time here on the floor of the new york stock exchange take us back, if you could you wrote about it in your note today. the emotion, the panic, what it was all like. >> well, the year itself was interesting. the market was up a stunning 43% until it topped out august 25th. and i watched as the managers and senior traders would tell the juniors don't get too caught up lighten up here. they're getting ahead of themselves every pause was followed by another rally to the point at which the juniors began to say don't listen to the old guys they don't know what they're talking about. keep buying. everybody was buying right up until august and then things started to slow a little bit secretary baker, treasury secretary was in open argument with the germans about the
deutsch mark versus the dollar and accusing them of manipulation the week before the crash, things started to come apart a bit on the wednesday before, there was a rumor about possibly a very large tax on marche mergers and acquisitions >> rostenkowski. >> that spooked the markets pretty good. that wednesday we closed down something like 95 points, the largest point drop in the history of the dow up till that point. the next day the market didn't rally at all it was off another 50 or so. then came friday which was was an expiration day. and it started to sell off and continued further. there were rumors around that nancy reagan would have to go in for cancer surgery in the hospital and that she was the president's right hand
and everybody was terrified about that so the market sold off particularly heavily in the final hour or so and it was down 108 points, which was then the largest point drop going into. >> then the london storm, was that that weekend? >> the london storm was that weekend. and london was closed on friday or closed early on friday. and people who needed liquidity had to come to new york. so it kind of piled on. >> you write about this so brilliantly in yesterday's note, you say the situation felt more unreal orders flowed in faster and faster the tape ran later and later one broker said it was like a bizarre dream sequence nothing seemed real. >> that's correct. it was like being one of those dream sequences in a movie i have the order in my hand. i can read it out allowed to you to sell a thousand shares of x, yz at a price that looks
ridiculous but that's the price up on the screen so you kept talking to yourself to some degree and saying i know i'm here and i know this is going on, but it doesn't make a bit of sense to me, but the client wants this sold i've got to sell it. >> we bring you on not just for the incredible history you share with us, but for the lessons we can learn everyone that applied to today is there anything applicable from what you learned on that day and in the years since then we should be thinking about in this market today? >> well, i think while it's not up 43%, this market's been up in a rather unloved fashion as everybody's talking about. so that kind of puts you maybe not on an extreme but you're at a leverage point we saw that this morning when mr. ju in china mentioned the word minsky moment and that is what we saw in 2007 and 2008 over here and in europe.
that scared the heck out of their markets and that's a little bit of what we're seeing this morning in maybe not a full flight to safety but a move to safety i would say and i don't mean to discourage the viewers, but i don't want them falsely reassured. everybody's talking about circuit breakers or whatever many of us cynics believe that those circuit breakers are somewhat like lifeboats painted on the side of the ship. you look at them and you're reassured but when it comes to use them, they're not really available. my point there is what did the circuit breakers do to prevent the flash crash in 2010. what did they do to assuage the 700 and some odd point selloff when the t.a.r.p. vote went the wrong way? there is nothing more powerful than a market that changes its mind and when it happens, you want to get out of its way.
>> one last thing. most viewers know you are a cautious guy. >> right. >> i wonder if living through '87 helped color that. >> it has, carl. i mean that and several of the things i've seen over 50 years i say again and again, when i walk into a room, the first thing i look at is the exit sign i want to be able to know how i can get out of a place as much as i can to get into it. >> cautious, not pessimistic. >> right. >> art, thank you as always for sharing some of your memories. we're going to continue this conversation on this black monday and the crash of 1987 what parallels or differences do we see any today's market. on some of the cracks behind the crash and whether or not there are warning signs for today's investors, mike. >> building on that context that art said up there which is to push against this idea a lot of times the crash is talked about as a one-day fluke, this air pocket that showed up no economic recession and it was
somehow a mechanical thing, a market failure but the backdrop was as art suggests a market going straight up not just year to date into the august but for five years. it bottomed in august of 1982. it went up 25% a year through that august of '87 a lot of air underneath the market by the time that the monday arrived of the crash, october 19th, 1987, the market was already down 17.5%, down almost 10% the prior week people thought that was really the crash. so essentially, you had all markets under stress around the world. treasury yields on that year to date 7% up to 10%. there was kind of a fear of an overheating economy inflation. a new fed chair. the dollar in free fall. so you had a lot of pressure building up in the markets that did give way in kind of a mechanical failure on that monday but you don't really see those things right now it was not a very unusually calm market in a gentle upward slope which is what this rally has
been this year with firm credit markets in 1987. we don't see the preconditions not saying it can't happen but you don't necessarily have a lot of those ingredients that contributed 0 to all that selling energy that was unleashed on the crash day. >> we talked about in this morning on worldwide exchange. different cycles in terms of where we are in politics, reagan was in his last year in office, a preelection year, the first year for the trump administration this year different periods with the federal reserve you alluded to that could play a role as well, right? >> yeah, all of it is in the mix. back then you had a stock market that had elevated valuations, arguably you had overconfident investors. right now you definitely have elevated valuation buzz not a lot of the other stuff we've not got it all figured out now and the market can't go down big. i'm saying you don't have the organic vulnerability we saw then it can build over months but we
don't see it at this moment. >> the thanks. as we go to break, shares of american express the company's long time ceo ken chin nault announcing he will step down the beginning of next year stock moves a tad lower on that news we'll hear from goldman's president and coo david solomon. dow's down 73 potsin we'll take a quick break back in a moment coo david solomon. dow's down 73 points we'll take a quick break back in a moment i think it's t. your kids go to college and you start trading. >>yeah, 5 years already. 5 years, hmm. you ever call your broker for help? >>once, when volatility spiked... and? >>by the time they got me an answer, it was too late. td ameritrade's elite service team can handle your toughest questions right away- with volatility, it's all about your risk distribution. good to know. >>thanks, mike. we got your back kate. >>does he do that all the time? oh yeah, sometimes he pops out of the couch. help from real traders.
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shares of verizon up over 3% the company did beat revenue estimates, matched eps estimates which were 98 cents a share. phone that is churn at least among the customer base was lower than anticipated 63,000 post paid net ads was higher than the analysts anticipated. that churn of .97% also. and the ebitda margins generally quite positive they lost 18,000 video subscribers. perhaps that doesn't compare to the loss of at&t directv unit. being well received by verizon invests at this point as you see. it has been the second quarter in a row in which the company
seems to be performing better than anticipated we're not talking at all, of course, about significant revenue growth but coming into this year and through the early parts of this year, it was a very difficult competitive environment for verizon. it chose to guess offering unlimited plans to try to meet some of the competitive pressures it was facing from the likes of t-mobile and sprint and at least seems to on the most important metric typically subscribers in terms of post paid ads meeting or beating expectations and getting rewarded for that. >> let's move on now to bids for amazon's second headquarters due today. with promises of more than $5 billion in investments and as many as 50,000 new jobs, cities around the country have been scrambling to woo that giant new york city submitted its proposal and for more on what that city says it can offer, we're joining by alicia glenn, deputy mayor of new york city. nice to have you here. >> thank you >> other cities are rolling out the tax breaks
that is not typically the way new york city rolls. why do you think you have a shot if you're not willing to give them the money that amazon typically looks for when making a big investment >> i think what amazon really needs to continue to throw their business is the most talented workforce in the country and in the world. if you're looking to hire 50,000 really smart people, new york city is the place to do it i don't think this is about a race to the bottom of throwing money at them. cy read governor christie is throwing $7 billion for a $5 billion headquarters i don't know, as an exbanker that sounds like a bad deal to me we're putting on the able access to the smartest people and the most diversified other sectors that are businesses amazon is continuing to grow in. between our academic partnerships and media, fashion, technology, advanced manufacturing businesses here, there's a real business case to be made for amazon to come here. >> give me some examples what differentiates your bid do you believe from the others
amazon is going to be reviewing. > their number one priority is to have the most talented workforce. human capital will drive their business there is no other city in america that has more than 2 million people with bachelor's degrees and has the strength of our academic partnerships. we have a variety of neighborhoods that are ready, willing and able to take on them as a company in those neighborhoods. so they need ready space now and they need the ability to build a significant urban campus over the next decade we have four neighborhoods we've put forward which offer them interesting and different opportunities to become part of new york city. this is a company that is an urban company. they are not a company that wants to be in a suburban office park they want to be of the city and want workers to walk and bike to work this is a company that really has urban roots. if you want to be a big global urban company, there's no better place to do it than new york city. >> in your conversations did
they ever articulate why they need a second head quarters? >> we have not had direct conversations with them. we've had conversations with some of the staffers about what will be in the bid but they've been very clear that they are not interested in people sending them cactuses trying to meet them on the street to get the inside story you know, they have been very clear in both their rfp they issued and all the media coming out of amazon what they're really looking for is a pro business city with a deep talent pool. >> new york city is not a pro business city. >> i would have to disagree with you. >> the level of regulation, laws and all sorts of other things you have to go through. >> if that were the case why do we have growing sectors like google and facebook and over 350,000 new private sector jobs. >> a great subway system and diverse workforce. >> mayor bloomberg for creating silicon alley. >> we have over 350,000 people working in the tech ecosystem. again, this is work that's been
done over the past 25 years. for it to continue to make new york city the safest big city in america with an extraordinarily diverse workforce and sectors that are completely unrivaled. i think the case has made people want to put down roots here. you'll see amazon feel the same way. >> has the city modeled if you won it, what it would do to housing prices, traffic, things like that? >> yes, we've done some work impact on various neighborhoods that we're putting in. two of the neighborhoods in the bid lower manhattan and midtown west are areas where those buildings are built or going to be built anyway. and so the impacts of that development has already been studied. there are mitigation measures in place. mass transit as much as everybody complains how tough it is right now in the system, it is still the most efficient best network in the country by far. and we've been very clear the mayor has been very clear we continue to push the governor and the state legislature to
adequately fund the subway system. >> one of the greatest assets city has do you really think you have a shot >> people are going to be surprised. out there in the ether, it's been there's no way we can compete because everybody will throw the kitchen sink at them i really think the proof is in the pudding. the tal lebbed woented workforc, diversity of neighborhoods and a city with a wealth of commerce and culture and innovation they'd better come to new york city if they want to be the big guys >> we appreciate your joining us on this interesting subject. alicia glenn, deputy mayor of new york city. >> the buildings are turning orange, right? >> empire state. >> orange dress. where is your orange dress, everybody? >> when we return, goldman sachs president and cocoo david solomon will sit down with wilfred frost with an interview u llotyowi n want to miss. the dow is down about 70 points. stay with us
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met with the theresa may in london today the two discussed the current political situation in northern ireland. meantime, haerts is buying men's health and runners world terms of the agreement have not been disclosed and retailers are in for a treat this halloween americans are expected to spend more on costumes, candy and decorations than before. the national retail federation estimates it spending about hit a record $9.1 billion with more than $3 billion spent on costumes alone the yankees are one victory away from the world series. new york shut down the houston astros 5-0 in game five last night. new york is now up three games to two game six tomorrow night in houston. and that's our cnbc jus update for this hour. david? >> thank you, jackie when we return, we are continuing to keep an eye on a big technology initial public offering taking place at the nasdaq mongo db set to go public
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morning. cloud database company mongo db making its market debut at the nasdaq this morning. berthing that coombs has been following the story after they raised their expected pricing. morning, bertha. >> they raised their price initially thought they would price somewhere in the range of $18 to $20 a share they boosted that and priced at $24 a share. we've already had about 1.25 million shares paired off. they are trying to get toabout a 1.5 million pared off before they open. two-minute warning they're watching as the shares are being paired off goldman sachs is the lead underwriter running the book they have a valuation of about
$1.6 billion after having sold 8 million shares at $24 a share. this is a new york-based company. very excited to be going public here ten years almost to the day after it was founded this is a company that is b to b, and among the tech firms that have gone public this year, those are the ones that have done relatively well and a lot better in terms of the debut they don't necessarily get the biggest pop in the debut but in the after market, they are the ones that have been performing much better in terms of tech ipos so far this year. again, last night, they raised that level to about $24 a share. we are awaiting that opening trade. you can see here nasdaq a lot of champagne. a long ways for them to come here and get public at this point. this is a firm that if you have been a follower of cnbc, you may have had your eye on them. we certainly have. they've been part of the cnbc c
tech disruptors list for four years running. this year number 24. we've already had four on that list go public this year the ones b-to-b again are the ones that have ed pretty well in the after market so we're pretty close here, guys we'll be watching it, not sure if we're ready to open just yet. we haven't indicated you but the deal does appear to be oversubscribed and it does appear that we're going to get a pretty nice pop here at the open we'll be right back as soon as that is stock is ready >> thank you for that. if it happens, we'll come back to you we'll go over to wilfred frost in california today sitting down with a special guest morning, wilf. >> good morning. thanks very much i'm here with president and coo of goldman sachs, david solomon. david, good morning to you. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> thanks for having me here at
your conference. the builders and instraighters conference i guess we think of goldman sachs often is a wall street titan with big listed companies and in fact, the exposure has grown significantly in terms of prunes i guess i dressed based on former rather than the latter. >> we're in santa barbara. it's beautiful you wonder whether or not we should move head quarters out to the santa barbara. this is a terrific event it's actually a couple days here year that i enjoy. we bring together 100 entrepreneurs to spend a couple days talking about their businesses and the way they disrupt. entrepreneurship and innovation so important to the american economy and the opportunity to brick a unique group of entrepreneurs together to kind of discuss what they're doing, think about ways they can build their businesses and add to growth and change in the economy in is exciting.
> let's talk about the broader strategy and the update where harvey said there's $5 billion of new growth opportunities. the majority of that came in terms of lending and investment management which is not traditionally the areas that goldman sachs has excelled at. coming that lending growth at a time where other banksing ar talking about deteariation in credit qualities why you are not concerned about that kind of credit theme given that you grow lending? >> of course we're concerned with the credit cycle. look, we've been in and around lending businesses and in and around extending credit to our clients for a long, long time. and so you know, we're at a place where we're focused on growth we've laid out a set of $5 billion of initiatives those touch a wide range of things i wouldn't describe them as predominantly lending. our fixed income business we're extremely focused on our client franchise there, we've got about $1 billion of that billion is
focused on on our efforts with corporations given the way we have been set up historically. there's more tune for us there in the investment management business, there's significant opportunities to gross our assets but there are lending initiatives. look, we're a bank that's an important part of what we do and we have an opportunity because we weren't as exposed to those activities as other people were, we can increase our focus on those activities and still be relatively small vis-a-vis most of the banks that you talk about or think about when you think about lending activities >> what is your advantage in lending? who are the types of clients you're going after >> they're all different places where we have edge one of the places where we've increases our financing activities over the last five years is around the capital markets business and to be a capital commitner that business and actually if you look at our performance in this quarter, very, very strong capital
markets quarter that have puts us in a position where our performance in that business is the best we've had for a nine-month period so far this year our shares have risen. that's an activity where you're committing capital to support corporations making acquisitions they need capital lent to them that's a place where we have a differentiated edge. with markus, a new platform for us and new product, we're looking to build a product that really helps customers of that business you know release pain points we're in an interesting position because we don't have the same legacy businesses that other people have. if you look at the deposits we're taking in, we're offering a very attractive deposit rate and if you look at the loans we're making it's a very, very attractive rate vis-a-vis other alternatives like credit cards for our customers. the reason we can do that is we don't have all the legacy business, the branches, infrastructure, and so we're in a position that we can grow that business you know cautiously,
slowly and really have a product that relieves customers' pain points and is differentiated. >> markus wrote in the new era, will bitcoin be the next new area lloyd has spoken encouragingly about it what's jamie dimon missing when he calls it a fraud? >> when we look at it, we're not endorsing it or dismissing it. our clients are saying we want to learn about this and talk to you about this and understand if we want to take a position in bitcoin. how do we deal with this so when our clients are asking about something, we're focused on it. like everybody else, we're learning and trying to get up to speed how this may evolve. there's certainly the potential for cryptocurrencies blockchain to play a significant role in the future we're trying to make sure we put ourself in a position to help our clients work through the issues >> want to touch on brexit lloyd tweeted this morning had he great meetings in frankfurt and will be spending a lot more time there he said, which was quite a tasty tweet on that
topic. we know you're investing heavily in frankfurt and developing more english speaking schools in terms of the city. you're moving really meaningfully not just back office jobs, significant jobs to frankfurt because of brexit? >> there's no question our footprint in europe will lead to anincrease in the number of people on the continent. from our perspective at the moment, we're doing that because regardless of how this develops or plays out over time, we have to be in a position to service our clients across the continent. yes, we're adding some people over to europe it's not just back office. it's client basing people, too but look, loifd spent more time in germany i've spent a lot of time in the uk and germany my guess is we'll spend a lot of time in both the uk will continue to be extremely important. >> but the scale of the risk to the uk as a financial center, london as a financial center is significant from brexit? >> i think it's too early to see
how this evolves there's no question that brexit is forcing a movement to some degree but look, there are reasons why for both the uk and for the continent, there are reasons to figure this out to the benefit of both. we'll have to watch and see how it evolves. >> what's your view on lloyd's tweeting is that something that goldman sachs should be doing? >> what you're seeing with lloyd's tweeting, you're seeing the real lloyd blankfein lloyd's very good at it. i'm not. so we'll leave that to lloyd for the moment. >> david, a pleasure thanks for having us today and we look forward to more coverage throughout the day. >> appreciate you being here thanks very much. >> back to you. thank you very much for that interview. coming up, be sure to tune in tomorrow favor is live in boston with the new head of ge, john flannery. they've got earnings in the morning.
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and when you do that, you don't chase the pace of tomorrow. you set it. nasdaq. rewrite tomorrow. >> this budget is a political statement. the only reason we're doing it in this form this year is to get to the tax deal. >> tax reform or lookout below. >> look at s&p earnings estimates for this year and next year, no one has in those models a tax cut into any little dip
cash comes to work if he ever came out and said fine, tax cuts are off the table, no doubt the market would drop a little bit because the markets look for a reason to sell something. >> it's been a great year for stocks but what are right now some of the biggest risks to the market? find out at trading nation.cnbc.com. more "squawk on the street" coming up.
let's get over to the rick santelli with a special santelli exchange, a reflection, rick. >> yeah, thank you you know, if you go back in history and i was in the pits and my guest, he was there, as well not in the pits but most of the notoriety of who called the crash fell on a female named elaine guard rely. she was famous for it. but there were many others saw it coming. mark skousen was one of them welcome and happy 70th birthday.
>> thank you i feel pretty good although it's been 30 years since the stock market crash i gave a sell signal six weeks before that event. the only time i've given a sell all stocks never done it since. and i think there's a lot of reasons why that has changed, that crashes are certainly possible but we're not crash proof. but i think we're crash resistant. not to say we're not going to see bear marks we will see a lot of bear markets in the future. if we don't get tax reform and a few other things, we could have a major correction finally >> you know, when you look back on those times, and i'm going to talk about it more as the day goes on, but what was it in your case that gave you such a strong inkling that you should send out that recommendation? >> well, i think there was a little bit of hubris going on,
there was a famous book that was out at that time, how to make $100,000 as a stockbroker. how easy it was to make money, that you couldn't lose you had portfolio insurance and some computer trading at that time, time and by the way, today, 90% of all trades on the stock market are computer generated i don't know about the bond market, but that's scary to indicate if this starts selling, for whatever reason, we could have certainly a major drop in the market that where everybody just gets involved and everybody starts selling >> and it was the go, go '80s. my other memory, of course, the japanese economy at that time was perceived to be cooking in grease it was a strange relationship between government banks, land owners they created sort of a pyramid scheme theirs didn't top out until a few years later, but that was
also a big deal. the american economy at the time felt like it was losing significant ground to the japanese from purchase of pebble beach on why don't you finish us up in that line of thought >> well, look, we're the big elephant in the room now the japanese market is never really recovered from its 1990 crash, and -- but we have this surreal low interest rate scenario you keep talking about and it never seem it is to end i remember in my news letter five years ago predicting interest rates had bottomed and we have no proof that's happened when that happens, we have to be a little bit worried when real interest rates start rising or we don't get tax reform, there's a lot of factors that are involved that could turn, and we need to be a little bit more conservative these days, i think, with the market >> well, i couldn't agree with you more, but it's going to be a road we're going to have to build right as we get to the point you need to make the next
step, and that's what i guess creates so much nervousness and tension around central banks and their exit thank you for your thoughts, your memories of that time, and happy birthday now we're going to send it back over to carl >> rick, thank you for that. rick santelli at the cme we're getting an opening trade on mongodb bertha >> we see the stock up 33%, opening well above $32 a share that gives them a valuation of about $2.64 billion. this is a b to b company in the cloud database platform space, ten years old. they took their time going public, new york based, but certainly the champagne flowing here this morning. the deal very much oversubscribed right now looks like they are going to be amongst the best performers here on their debut in the nasdaq, 96
ipo still on the nasdaq so far this year. carl, back to you. >> bertha, thank you very much for that dow beginning to erase some of its losses we're down 54 potsin s&p is down six. we'll take a short break back after this. ♪ it's not just a car, it's your daily treat. ♪ go ahead, spoil yourself. the es and es hybrid. experience amazing.
is. welcome back dow's down 54 points as we continue to watch losses erased. we look forward to tomorrow. >> of course, apple pressuring the dow today. given the performance there, and tomorrow we're going to speak to john flannery, the chairman and ceo of ge. of course, new in that position. tomorrow, an important day for the company. will report earnings in the morning. a lot of expectations in terms of the changes to come at ge, and those changes are expected to be quite significant. we may learn of some of them tomorrow and then november 13th the company will have a large analyst meeting, as well, to talk about >> not just ge in the morning, but p&g. >> yeah, that should be interesting. the company is under a lot of pressure now to perform after that super close vote that is still up for dispute nelson peltz says it's way too close. 0.2% it will be interesting to see
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welcome back to "squawk on the street," i'm kate rogers stocks are pulling back from record highs with the s&p tech sector among the worst sectors hewlett packard enterprise shares are lower after giving a mixed 2018 outlook and approving $5 million more to buy back stock. now back downtown for the start of "squawk alley." >> all right, thank you for the, kate good morning, it is 8:00 a.m. at apple headquarters in cupertino, california, it's 11:00 a.m. on wall street, and "squawk alley" is live. ♪ ♪